original topic posted Mon Mar 2, 2009 at 12:23 am CST
There has been much talk over the new scout unlocks, currently we are looking at all of the weapons for game impact and balance as well as getting the opinions of players. While the Force-a-Nature and Bonk! Energy drink are still under watch, a final decision has been made on the sandman. The sandman will be banned from CEVO matches until significant changes on are made to the weapon. Once valve has made changes we will re-evaluate the weapon and make a decision at that time. The Force-a-Nature and Bonk! Energy drink are still of legal use in matches until further noted. Any use of the sandman in a match will be addressed by CEVO officials. The rule is in effect as of March 2, 2009.
BloodyIron
Evo Points: 18
#1 posted Mon Mar 2, 2009 at 5:04 pm CST
What kind of changes have been discussed?
Bleu
Evo Points: 1
#2 posted Mon Mar 2, 2009 at 6:04 pm CST
Seconded. I found myself taking out a duo of soldier and medic in granary some days ago thanks to it. Otherwise impossible with the normal bat. And it completely breaks the heavy's minigun as well.
I still doubt valve will modify it to such an extent that its usable in competitive play again.
Fzero169
Evo Points: 3
#3 posted Tue Mar 3, 2009 at 8:36 am CST
Hopefully, the same thing will happen to FAN...
Sye
Evo Points: 1
#4 posted Tue Mar 3, 2009 at 6:23 pm CST
All of the new scout unlocks force scouts to work with teammates more effectively. To me, the removal of a team-oriented weapon from competition play is unfounded, and hopefully valve feels the same way. I hope they leave the weapons the way they are, and have been intended to be. You claim that the sandman is overpowered, but it is only as good as the person who uses it.
SmokenSherriff
Evo Points: 1
#5 posted Thu Mar 12, 2009 at 10:18 am CST
k, Well give me a golf club that goes off like a nuke and as i ride the mushroom cloud into the sky watching all the destruction, i will be laughing saying "its only as good as the person that uses it". While my 5 year old little boy may miss a target with that weapon a time or two. Most people shouldnt. It takes little skill and is way unfair in how it doesnt allow you as another class to do anything about it. It takes no aim and little skill. Dont flatter yourself "Sye". GET SOME!!!!!!
Smoke
Kmc
Evo Points: 1
#6 posted Sun Mar 15, 2009 at 12:01 pm CST
Well they nerfed the Sandman. The stunned player now takes 50% less damage while stunned. But it still affects Ubers. So I don't know, it sounds like it's still a little overpowered, but not as much as before.
n00bie51
Evo Points: 1
#7 posted Thu Mar 19, 2009 at 8:57 pm CST
It's good that Valve nerfed the Sandman, but I think it should be kept out of CEVO because a stunned target is toast for the skilled, coordinated teams that play in the league. Besides that, being able to stun the ÜberCharge is something I find extremely disagreeable and the way competitive matches are played would be significantly altered with the ÜberCharged being nullified by the Sandman and all.
BIOHAZARD -Delicatessen Of RAPE
Evo Points: 1
#8 posted Tue May 26, 2009 at 1:25 pm CST
i agree with sye. this would promote teams working together. in l4d, the hunter can do little damage by itself. but if a smoker pulls the next guy trying to save him, the damage is incresed greatly. this can be repeated if there are other teamates around. of course, counter team work can take place, which would also apply to the sandman. if somebody gets stunned, simply kill the puny scout and protect the stunned player.
